When Piggy first confides his nickname to Ralph, he asks Ralph not to tell anyone. Later, when the boys are gathered together, Ralph betrays Piggy:
"You're talking too much," said Jack Merridew. "Shut up, Fatty."
"He's not Fatty," cried Ralph, "his real name's Piggy!"
A storm of laughter arose and even the tiniest child joined in. For the moment the boys were a closed circuit of sympathy with Piggy outside: he went very pink, bowed his head, and cleaned his glasses again.
What does Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name suggest to you about the basic nature of young people? Are they intentionally cruel to each other or just inconsiderate?
Share your own thinking, but use evidence from the first three chapters of the text to support your argument.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name reveals that the thoughts of the young are often thoughtless & not always intentionally cruel, they simply don't think before they speak. Ralph intentions weren't to be cruel & reveal Piggy's name, he was actually trying to help by not allowing the boys to label Piggy "Fatty".But not only did Piggy feel betrayed, but he was also humiliated by Ralphs actions. Instead of apologizing, Ralph told Piggy "Better Piggy than fatty"(25).Ralph didn't apologize as maybe Piggy expected, but apologizing to him could show a sign of weakness as he took the new role as chief.
I agree that a lot of times young people speak before the think, not taking into consideration other people's feelings and thoughts. I don't believe that Ralph's intentions weren't to be cruel though, he knew that if he revealed Piggy's nickname he would embarrass him, yet still did it. I like your last sentence though (:
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name suggests that the nature of young children is not intentionally cruel but not just inconsiderate either. "... Jack Merridew. "Shut up, Fatty."(21) Jack was being intentionally cruel to Piggy because that is his nature to be better than everybody else. But when Ralph says "Better Piggy than Fatty" (25) it shows that he wasn't trying to be cruel but didn't think about how Piggy might have felt about him telling everybody about his name. So, in conclusion the basic nature of young people is neither intentionally cruel or inconsiderate it depends on your personality and who you are around.
I agree with the young people being not intentionally cruel or inconsiderate but it doesn't depend on who you are around b/c you are responsible for your own actions. Like if you think about it you say & do what you want not what other people tell you do say or do.
Ralph's sudden revelation of Piggy's name shows that young people are often thoughtless rather than cruel. It is revealed that Ralph did not mean to tell the others of Piggy's unsacred name, but rather he involintarily blurted Piggy's name to the others in order to protect Piggy. Ralph is obviously trying to avoid the subject when talking with Piggy "After I said I didn't want--- "
"What on Earth are you talking about?" (P.25)
, which shows how Ralph is sorry for what he said, but as a child he can't apoligize as this jepordize his pride.
I agree with you. Ralph said it without thinking, not with the intention of being cruel. There is much truth in your last line. As a child and as a leader, Ralph doesn't know how to apologize due to his immaturity or unwillingness to show weakness.
I agree with this response because i too think that children are often more inconsiderate than cruel towards each other. Ralph had no intention of being cruel he just blurted it out.
Yes I do totally agree with you. Ralph had no intentions whatsoever on being cruel... But due to his unwillingness... I'm thinking he knows how to apologize, BUT, is refusing to. Overall I think this is a great response.. 4* (4 star)
It was embarrassing to Piggy, but hilarious to all the others. Ralph had no intension to be cruel, the humor took over his thoughts and he blurted out a secret, that Piggy told him in confidence. "Ralph shrieked with laughter." (11) From the moment Piggy revealed his embarrassing nickname, Ralph did not think of it to be harsh or cruel, he only thought of the humor of such a name. Through out the group Ralph was dominant over everyone, and revealing the nickname made Piggy fall back into the shadows and be stepped over. "His voice rose to a shriek of terror as Jack snatched the glasses off his face." (40) Ralph may not have realized, but he allowed Piggy to become the victim of everyone else, for no one took him seriously with a name of, "Piggy". There was no intension to be cruel, Ralph was just ignorant over the whole situation at hand.
I agree that Ralph was only thinking of the humor of the nickname. Ralph was unaware of the effect his teasing might have on how the other boys may think of Piggy. I agree that Ralph unconsciously made Piggy become a victim to the other boys.
Ralph did not intentionally tell everyone piggy's name was piggy to embarrass him but to take away from the others calling him fatty(25.) "better Piggy than fatty" says Ralph when he apologizes to Piggy and i don't believe the young children were being intentionally cruel like jack when he decided to say on page(21.) "shut up, Fatty" now that was being intentionally cruel but nor were they inconsiderate they were just following the other kids who were laughing which made them automatically think oh Ralph said "his real name is Piggy" its something funny lets laugh also that is what i think that suggest of the nature of young people.
I agree with you, but I also disagree with you. The reason is because in the beginning of the book Ralph kept trying to get rid of Piggy. He was trying to avoid Piggy and not wanting to talk to him. Ralph May have had the intention to make fun of Piggy to embarrass him and possibly show a sign of mastery towards him. This could go on to prove that Ralph was intentionally hurting Piggy's feeling to prove himself to everyone that his level of authority is higher than Piggy and possibly the children similar to Piggy (younger, weaker).
I agree with you but wouldn't it make others want o call piggy fatty more since Ralph already mentioned it to all the boys on the island ?
Ralph says Piggy's name not to make him feel bad but because he doesn't want the other kids calling him fatty. He himself says. " better piggy than fatty " (25.) They aren't intentionally cruel. Ralph for example didn't want to the other kids calling him fatty. He reveals his name to be considerate. Even though Piggy gets offended somewhat Ralph even apologizes (25.) " im sorry if you feel like that " He wasn't trying to offend him. Maybe he kind of did, but not everybody is like that, mature about it but it all depends on the person, how mature one is, or how cruel a person is.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name suggests that the nature of young people is cruel yet inconsiderate. Ralph was trying to please others while blurting out a secret about piggy's name. Ralph stated "Shut up, Fatty."(21) which could bring thought to him being intentionally cruel. Later on Ralph says "Better Piggy than fatty"(25) which can back up the fact that he did not mean to actually be cruel, yet he let his words come out of his mouth without thought of how it would hurt piggy. Ralph and piggy have a conversation in which Ralph says " After I said I didn't want --", " What on earth are you talking about?", this shows that Ralph had not thought about the whole situation, as if he just forgot he was not supposed to say piggy's name to others. Yet Ralph shows a whole different way of saying "sorry". Ralph apologizes in a "leader" type of way because he still thinks of piggy as only an acquaintance not entirely a friend just yet. Ralph's actions and words seem to be built off the people who he surrounds himself with.
I agree with you sometimes kids don"t really know what kind of situation that they are dealing with. Sometimes with the kind of situation kids or even adults dont know the ways of saying sorry in the correct way or even the way other people would WANT to expect a sorry. Sometimes there are different ways of hurtn peoples feelings even in genearl. I really agree with you but Ralph wasnt being cruel necessarilly he was just not taking in mind that the words that Ralph had used would hurt Piggy.
First, one wrong thing and one great thing. The wrong thing is that Ralph didn't say "Shut up, Fatty" that was Jack but I did like and agree with what you said about Ralph apologizing in a "leader" type way because that is true. Ralph doesn't want to show weakness of any sort and why should he back down for Piggy if they are only acquaintances and not truly best friends since they really only known each other for a little while.
I agree with you, Ralph doesn't think of piggy as a friend yet and his actions are based on what others think of him. I also think his apology was half-baked.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy`s name suggest that young people are not intentionally cruel; they can just be thoughtless at times. When Ralph revealed to the other boys Piggys name he was not trying to be cruel it seems as if he was only thinking of the humor of the situation and the name. Keep in mind that Ralph most likely thought it was harmless teasing he was not intentionally being mean or cruel. Most young people are just inconsiderate at times.
I agree that most young people are not intentionally cruel but thoughtless at more times than not. But I disagree that at times they are just inconsiderate because they understand that it would be cruel to say but they can't think of a better way to say something. So, in conclusion they are more likely to be not thoughtful than intentionally cruel or inconsiderate
Young people are not intentionally cruel but that they are inconsiderate. Inconsiderate means that you are thoughtlessly causing hurt to people and Ralph wasn't thinking when he blurted out Piggy's name. In reality he was actually trying to defend Piggy but it didn't turn out the way Piggy might have wanted it. On page 21 it says "He's not Fatty," cried Ralph, "his real name's Piggy!" and that shows that Ralph was indeed trying to defend Piggy in the heat of the moment and since it was so sudden he couldn't think straight, knowing that he wasn't suppose to tell the others Piggy's name. And yes the other young boys did laugh but not to be cruel but that truthfully Piggy is a funny name and young people will be thoughtless and laugh at such a name. The young still don't know that laughing at ones name can be hurtful and wrong but at the ages of 6-12 their minds still don't really know right from wrong. Also when one laughs, everyone joins in because they think its ok if everyone else does it. That is also known as mob mentality. And now that we know that Ralph wasn't being cruel, we can also point out that Jack Merridew isn't as cruel as one might think he is. The book try's to portray him as a cruel bully but I believe he is just acting as the cool, bada**, that he wants to be. Jack is the "head boy" of the choir and he thinks that he has to act as top dog and when he calls Piggy "Fatty" he want to show others to not "mess with him" if you know what I mean. .-. In conclusion I still believe that kids at a young age are not cruel but just really thoughtless that they don't think before they speak.
Ralphs revelation about Piggy's name suggests that the nature of young people isn't to be intentionally cruel, but sometimes their reactions after the damage is done makes them inconsiderate. Ralph didn't realize he had hurt Piggy's feelings. It wasn't his intention to make him feel bad.
"Ralph, looking with more understanding at piggy, saw that he was hurt and crushed. He hovered between the two courses of apology or further insult" (25)
Although Ralph saw Piggy was hurt, he couldn't apologize because of his new role as leader.
"Better Piggy than Fatty", he said at last, with the directness of genuine leadership" (25)
Ralph not apologizing because of his role as leader, is what made him inconsiderate.
In conclusion, Ralphs revelation about Piggy's name suggests the nature of young people isn't to be intentionally cruel, but they are inconsiderate at times.
I agree with you in that fact that young children don't think before they do. They speak without think about the consequences or how it can affect others. Although I disagree with you on how Ralph didn't apologize because of his role as a leader. I think after wards he should have stepped up as a leader and taken responsibility for his actions. Him not doing this I what causes him to be cruel. If you mess up you should fix it not leave it to cause further issues.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name shows that many young people don't think before they speak, nor do they acknowledge other people's feelings. Ralph's intention was not to be cruel, but to prevent the others from calling Piggy "Fatty". "Better Piggy than Fatty," he said at last... "and anyways, I'm sorry if you feel that way..." Ralph did understand that he had hurt Piggy by telling the others about his name, but he couldn't be upfront about it and admit that what he had done was wrong as it might be have been seen as a weakness now that he played the role of a leader in the group. That being said, most young people are simply just inconsiderate.
I believe you are correct in saying that Ralph was trying to protect Piggy. Although, prior to the group hearing of Piggy's horrible nickname, Ralph was very inconsiderate to Piggy when he had shared his secret. Mentioning this fact would have made your argument stronger. I enjoy your closing statement in stating that young people lack manners, which makes them inconsiderate.
Children mean well, but sometimes they say thing’s that hurt others without knowing. Most of the time they are not intentionally cruel. For example, when Ralph was just trying to defend Piggy, "He's not fatty," cried Ralph, "his real name is Piggy!"(21). Ralph was just trying to stand up for his friend, even though his statement backfired and made the matters worse. When the children organized themselves into groups, Ralph, Jack, and Simon left to explore to see if they were on an island, and Piggy followed them, and told Ralph how he felt when he told the others that harsh nickname of his, "after I said I didn’t want-"(25)"What on earth are you talking about"(25). "about being called piggy"(25) Ralph replied. This shows that Ralph's statement was never to be cruel but to help Piggy. Ralph never mean to embarrassed Piggy like that but as a child he spoke without thinking, therefore hurting the feelings of his friend inconsiderately. At one moment or another we all make the mistake of hurting someone's feelings without even realizing it, even at an older age.
I agree with you issabelle that kids say things without thinking because and how they realize it as they get older that what they say might hur others but I don't think piggy cared weather or not they knew what they were laughing at they still hurt his feelings and sometimes they still continue to call him "fatty" so then Ralph telling everyone his name is piggy so they don't call him fatty didn't work after all
I agree with you , sometimes kids don't think about how their words can hurt others. Even though Ralph tried to defend Piggy, he hurt him more by telling all the boys his secret. Ralph didn't say it to make fun of him but he didn't want the other boys to be calling Piggy , "fatty" .
Ralph's revelation of Piggy's name proves that kids are not intentionally cruel, they're just inconsiderate. When Jack Merridew called Piggy "Fatty" Ralphs tried to stand up for Piggy by saying, "He's not fatty," "his real name is Piggy." (21) But Ralphs intentions didn't turn out as planned because the kids started laughing at his name not realizing the damage they were causing to Piggy. On page 25 , Ralph realizes what his words had caused. "Ralph looking with more understanding at Piggy, saw that he was hurt and crushed." Ralph was just trying to defend Piggy not hurt him. This reveals kids are not intentionally cruel just inconsiderate.
I agree with you kids are inconsiderate not cruel.Ralph did give piggy an apology not the one expected but felt the need to because deep inside he felt bad. Seeing a person be in embarrassed caused Ralph a feeling of responsibility and ashame , but wanted to show leadership.
I agree with you, kids are not intentionally cruel they just don't realize what they are saying. They have not yet had enough life experience to understand how their actions could effect others. Ralph does try to defend Piggy, but he doesn't really understand how to do it. Also, Ralph's apology to Piggy wasn't a usual one but it seemed that it did comforted Piggy a little bit.
The fact that Ralph reveals Piggy's actual nickname to everyone after Piggy told him not to suggests that young people's basic nature is cruel. I believe that we, as a generation are intentionally cruel. but not in this case, I believe Ralph did this unaware of what he was saying. He didn't understand why Piggy didn't want him to tell everyone his nickname, therefor he didn't second guess himself to say it. For example, when Jack goes off to "hunt" he finds a pig, he goes after it ready to kill but suddenly stops. He then says nest time he wont hesitate to kill. He didn't want to be cruel, so he decides to do it inconsiderably.
I would have to agree with you. He didn't intentionally try to be cruel.But it all was all in the moment making him blurt out Piggy's Secret
I agree with you. Ralph didn't mean to be intentionally cruel, He was just wanted to say it for the fun of it. He didn't want to be cruel, all he wanted to do is give out a name to the other kids that were present.
I agree with you about how he didn't mean to intentionally be cruel he just didn't want them to keep calling him fatty. He didn't mean to be cruel but that's the way the others took it.
I agree with you because little children dont really know what is going on or maybe he just thought it would be funny to say. They all thought it was funny.
What you have suggested, in my opinion, is correct. Many of the younger generation can have all the intensions of purposely being cruel, but man may have a blind eye to what they're doing is cruel.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name reveals that the basic nature of young people is that we lack consideration for others. Most of the time we do things without thinking. We speak before we think and we don't realize what we're doing until afterwards. We can be both inconsiderate and cruel but it's not always intentional. I believe that Ralph didn't mean to be cruel but he knew that revealing his name would embarrass him yet he still did it. Everyone else thought it was funny but afterwards Ralph regretted that he had embarrassed him proving that he didn't do it with that intention.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name doesnt show intentional cruelty, in fact it is quite the opposite. Ralph was betraying his friends trust, but he was doing it with the hopes of Piggy no longer being called "Fatty". That is what is shown when Ralph says "Better Piggy than Fatty"
I agree with you he was just trying to get them to call him something other than Fatty and Piggy was the first name, it was unintentional.
As I read your comment, I realized that I was only thinking negative and not positive, I can see where you got that he was doing it with the hopes of him not getting called fat, and I agree with you.
I think that Ralph didn't mean it to start out cruel, and first he was just being inconsiderate. When they called him 'fatty' he was in way standing up for him by calling him Piggy. But when he didn't apolagize he started being mean, because he was now chief and didn't want to show weakness. Because that's how kids are.
I agree, Ralph was trying to stand up for Piggy so that the others wouldn't call him "fatty", and he was trying to avoid apologizing to piggy as it might show a sign of weakness, but he did apologize in a way to piggy and showed that he didn't mean to hurt Piggy's feeling or make him feel bad.
I agree with you, Ralph didn't want look like the wear one when he didn't apologize but he was also being inconsiderate at first
I think that the basic nature of the young people that they are making fun of Jack "Piggy" is to look cool. Well known as just being inconsiderate about the person they are making fun of and not taking in rule of the person feelings and just trying to sound like they "belong" in the group. Ralphs revelation was being inconsiderate bacause being a young person, people don't take in mind the feeling of another person even if it is being asked by the person to take it as a secret but to look cool of making fun of someone and belong into the group he tried being "cool"/ The following states "I don't care how they call me' he said confidentally 'so long as they don't call me what they used to call me at school"(Golding,11). He tried being honest and trying to bring up his past to what people has always called him and asked to not mention that name. On the other hand Ralph was being selfish and inconsiderate about "Piggy's" feelings he had just said it like not minding how he feels which is inconserdate not cruel because as kids we dont know the differene of being mean and don't know how to handle it.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name suggests that young people are not intentionally cruel, but often inconsiderate and thoughtless. Though it probably didn't seem like a big deal to Ralph to share Piggy's nickname, it was something that Piggy had trusted Ralph with. "Ralph, looking with more understanding at Piggy, saw that he was hurt and crushed."(25) This line demonstrates that Ralph had only barely realized how much Piggy had been hurt by his betrayal, and it also displays that Ralph had not done it intentionally, but thoughtlessly. If he had meant to hurt him intentionally, Ralph wouldn't have apologized, and though it was a dry apology, it was still showed he realized what he did was hurtful.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name suggests that the nature of young people is that they are not intentionally cruel but just inconsiderate. Ralph was trying to defend Piggy by revealing that his name was not Fatty , but Piggy. He didn't want for Piggy to be called Fatty so he simply Said "He's not Fatty .... his real name's Piggy (21). Ralph's intentions were not to embarrass Piggy , he was trying to stand up for him because Ralph did not want to see him called something else rather than his real name . "Better Piggy than Fatty" (25). All in all , young people are not intentionally cruel but inconsiderate.
I agree with you, Ralph was trying to help out Piggy, even though he might have seemed cruel. Ralph did try in a sort of way to apologize but in a "leader" type of way to show that he was sorry, but not weak.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name suggest that the basic nature of young people are intentionally cruel to each other. When Piggy first revealed his nickname, Ralph laughed at him. "Ralph shrieked with laughter." Also, Ralph already knew that the nickname 'Piggy' bothered him but he revealed it to the other kids anyways. "'He's not Fatty," cried Ralph, "his real name's Piggy!"' (21 Golding)
Ralph may have shreiked with laughter, but he laughed not to hurt piggy's feelings he laughed because Piggy is an odd and funny name. Also, when he revealed Piggy's name, he did it to defend piggy not to hurt him, shown when Ralph says "Better Piggy than Fatty"
Ralph's relevation about Piggy's insensitive nickname was not purposeful cruelty but was just a failed attempt to defend Piggy. On page 25, Ralph explains that it is better to be called Piggy than Fatty, which is what the boys were calling him before. Ralph wasn't trying to be mean, he was just inconsiderate. Piggy though still took the mistake as an act of insultment. though Ralph wasn't trying to be mean other children in the group were intentionally cruel. In chapter 2 and the previous chapter, Jake was not so nice to Piggy. jake would continuously get bothered by Piggy and insult him and when the other children found out Piggy's nickname they also teased him. this proves some children may be cruel but others are more feeling sensitive while others just follow figures of authority.
You are right. many people can be cruel to others in any or there own fashion to their liking which may have caused others besides jack to be callous against piggy. Also how jack and the others said that piggy was of no use on page 25 due to his lack of fit shape and sobriquet.(nickname).However being inconsiderate is not only rude without them knowing, but if intentionally done, oneself could get his feelings hurt such as piggy when his endearment (nickname) was mentioned amongst the group.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name suggests that young people can be inconsiderate and cruel. When you are in kindergarten you're not thinking about cruel things to do or say because you're not aware of so many things going on in the world. Little kids tend to be honest , they may be mean but they're inconsiderate. When you're a bit older you're more aware of things so you can chose to say hurtfull things or think about how others will feel and not say them at all. Ralph was just being inconsiderate since he didn't think it was going to hurt Piggy's feelings, he just thought it was a joke.
I do agree with you april (: . I think its more like Ralph was being more protective in a way than cruel. It was better for piggy to be called just piggy instead of having all the boys making up more names for him. Ralph had no intention of being mean but just thought it wasn't that big of a deal. Young kids like him usually have this perspective when it comes to calling other people mean names. Ralph was just being a kid, which meant being inconsiderate.
Infants should be perceived as immature and carelessly unconscious, rather than appointing to them with a label of "cruelty", since they are inconsiderate and mindless at an early age. Centering on the characters of the novel, "Lord of the Flies" by William Golding, Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name suggests that the basic nature of young people is involuntarily harmful. Indeed, Ralph wanted to protect and avoid the kids to laugh or label Piggy as "Fatty". Due to the sudden moment, Ralph could not consider the possible outcomes because Ralph's only focus and intention was to avoid the discrimination directed toward Piggy; unfortunately, the revelation only aggravated the situation. When Ralph responds, "Better Piggy than Fatty" it demonstrates that as a child and his new role as chief, he is unwilling to show a hint of weakness. Although Ralph didn't apologize as Piggy might have expected, he did notice Piggy's "hurt" and "crushed" expressions, and apologized along with, "I'm sorry if you feel like that". Even though Ralph might had actually forgotten the scene- "What on earth are you talking about"- since it was unimportant to him, he somewhat avoids the thought because he is embarrassed and ashamed for creating a sense of betrayal amongst them. In general, this gives us insights into the young minds- instantly reacting without consideration.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name suggests that the nature of young people is sometimes intentionally cruel when they want to feel better about themselves and dont care about hurting others.On page 21 Jack insults Piggy,''Shut up, Fatty." He does this because Piggy ignored him while he was talking. As Jack felt he was losing power amoungst he boys he needed to gain attention by being mean. But sometimes young people are just inconsiderate because they dont know that their words can hurt others. But some good people know that they've hurt someone and apologize like Ralph on page 25,"and anyway I'm sorry if you feel that way,''This proves that he felt guilty for hurting his friend's feeling and knew that he was being unconsiderate at the moment when he revealed Pggy's nickname.
In the book Lord of the Flies, Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name shows how the basic nature of young people make them inconsiderate people making inconsiderate choices. Ralph made a choice of exposing Piggy's nickname to everyone without thinking of the consequences and the affect it would have on Piggy. Because of that, Ralph did not do it with the intentions of being cruel. In page 25, Ralph realized how hurt and crushed Piggy was after he had straight out told every person what they used to call him. He apologized; making him just an inconsiderate young person.
Ralph's revelation of piggy's name suggest that most of the kids didnt think things first. They thought it was funny. The kids aren't being cruel, they are just inconsiderate. They're young, most young people don't think before they speak, making things sound harsh when to others its humorous. It can be harsh by the fact that they called him "piggy" a phrase that means being fat. It can go both ways but ultimately, the kids were being inconsiderate.
I totally agree with you- the meaning of his nickname may have caused laughter in the young kids perspective, yet damage in Piggy's mind as he interprets it as an insult. This doesn't mean it is cruel, but that infants are inconsiderate regarding what they say. Also it is very true that it can be supported from both perspectives as there is good back-up. Good thought + nice job!
Ralph was be inconsiderate when he said that piggy name was piggy because he was trying not to have them call him fatty.
I disagree. I don't think Ralph really thought about what he said. He just said it. Although his intentions weren't to make things worse, they also weren't to make things better.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name suggest that they are young and careless because they do not think before the speak as Ralph could of said "stop it" instead he blurts out piggy's name, although the was trying to protect him, he hurt him because his name added to the insult of Fatty, the quote "Ralph, looking with more understanding at Piggy, saw that he was hurt and crushed." (25) showed that only when you think and understand you see things differently.
I believe Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name shows how Ralph cares about everyone. The young don't know any better because they are still innocent on the inside, although on the outside, they are mean and not trustworthy yet. When Ralph yells, "his real name's Piggy!' it suggests that he might want to work together with everyone and not make any bad blood because they all need to ally to survive.
We'll, we were all young kids at once in out life and we can't say we haven't done something similar. He betrayed as a way of a joke. Like, all of us Piggy said," better Piggy than fatty". He tried to find the good side to this problem
Piggy was embarrassed when he called him that. "I don't care what they call me,' he said confidentially, ' so long as they don't call me what they used to call me at school" (11). This quote explains how Piggy didnt care for what they call him outside , but in the inside he hated it.Ralph dont even apologize to Piggy for letting out his nickname.
I think the basic nature of young people is to have fun and sometimes hey do not know when its to much. Yes young people tend to tell the truth most of he time but hey dont realize whats bad from good. Ralph betraying piggy just shows that hes as young as the boys on he island and knows no better
Ralph's revelation of Piggy's name shows that children do not think before saying things, making Ralph more inconsiderate than cruel. After Ralph blurts out Piggy;s name everyone laughs, this made Piggy very embarrassed and Ralph feel better about himself. "I'm sorry if you feel like that." (25). Ralph did not mean to offend Piggy but he wanted to seem "cool" and that is why he said it to everyone. He made everyone laugh and made him feel like he accomplished that.
Ralph's revelation about piggy's name was a necessary evil, unless piggy is fine with the other kid's observations which would be much worse and doubt he would like them. as Ralph tells piggy "Better piggy than fatty"(25). All though rude and inconsiderate, he still stopped the the other kid's from giving him a label and piggy should be more understanding of the circumstances he is in. What Ralph does not notice is that piggy has issues with his image and Ralph could have probably been a bit more sensitive making him cruel and inconsiderate.
I agree that Ralph stopped the kids from labeling Piggy from his personal image, although I think since the kids are stranded on an island, there is no kindness. In survival, what's done is done and what needs to be done, should be.
Ralph's revelation about Piggy's name doesn't necessarily suggest that basic nature of young people is to be cruel to eachother. Many of us dont realize that what we say can hurt others, and in this case this is exactly what happened. Ralph didn't reveal Piggy's name so others would make fun of him, he did it because he thought Piggy was better than being called fatty(25). All Ralph was trying to do was defend him . Not so others would call him fatty. He clearly said "he's not fatty!" (21) . Ralph was just unaware of how others would react to it. In this case it wasn't very pleasant, but Ralph's intentions were NOT to make Piggy ashamed of himseld nor his name.
I do agree with your statement about Ralph not intentionally wanting to be mean to Piggy. I think Ralph just wanted to protect Piggy from recieving a worse name than the one he had.
I firmly support your thought that Ralph was unaware how others would react to it ,and that the intentions of the revelation weren't necessarily to embarrass Piggy's nickname. I believe that this sudden moment didn't give him the ability to think straight; and totally- people aren't always aware that their words are hurtful to others because they are perceived differently in someone else's mind; this only can be clarified until it is confessed. Good thought!
Ralph's revelation of Piggie's name goes to show that children are intentionally cruel. This may go to show that children may not yet have knowledge of proper behavior (manners). This could also show they don't know better and just say whatever comes to their minds about someone.
I agree with you but it might also be that the kids conscience is not fast enough to think of the consequence's of what might happen to what they say because they are not really mature.
In the Lord of the Flies, when Ralph reveals the real name of Piggy to the entire group of boys, it shows that Ralph has an inconsiderate relation to Piggy. Children, most times, don't intentionally try and hurt one and other. The reason Ralph may have revealed Piggy's name going against his word was because he was leader of the boys. His actions may have come from him not wanting to show admiration for the one who first found him. Ralph may have not wanted to show that he cared for his companion; he was showing that he was leader and didn't care for everyone's feelings. But deep down he did care. "Stillness descended on them. Ralphm looking with more understanding at Piggy..." (pg. 25) This shows that he really did care, but Ralph was just being inconsiderate.
I agree with you Marissa because children never mean to hurt someone especially if they have never done such thing to hurt them. Ralph was only speaking as the leader and when you are a leader you try and get attention of your people in any way possible . I think that is what he did . Ralph still cared deep inside like you said , he just wasnt thinking, nor caring when he said that. Niether did he want to show he cared. C:
The basic nature of young people is not to be intentionally cruel nor inconsiderate. At the beginning of the novel, Golding describes Ralph as a boy who appears to be a natural leader but who also has weaknesses.
-He is convincingly immature(like most young people) - reflecting his age, "In the middle of the scar he stood on his head and grinned at the fat boy. 'No grownups!'"(8)
The fact that Ralph states "No grown ups" is an early indication of his immaturity. He sees this as only an opportunity to be away from adults, without any realization of the real seriousness of his situation.
-He shows lack of depth in his thinking processes, "They used to call me 'Piggy'. Ralph shrieked with laughter. He jumped up. 'Piggy! Piggy!'"(11) Instead of thinking about how he felt about being called Piggy, he laughed about it. It could have been an instant reaction for him to laugh, but not deliberate.
- "Stillness descended on them. Ralph looking with more understanding at Piggy..."(25)
Ralph is showing that even though he had just blurted out his secret, he was feeling sympathetic towards Piggy. Ralph didn't mean to do this on purpose, he let his ego control his thoughts.
I very much agree with your second paragraph. It was perfect and I couldn't have said it any better. Saying how it was an instant reaction and not deliberative is totally right, in my opinion. Thumbs up for you :D
Yeah, because he most likely didn't mean to laugh, just like when someone laughs over something that really isn't funny. But they didn't mean to laugh on purpose. So it wasn't intentional for Ralph to laugh but it still happened.
Ralph ' revelation about piggy's name reveals that the nature of children is inconsiderate rather than cruel. Ralphs intentions were to pleased the other children.His actions were thoughtless he just wanted to set a position of leadership. He acted without acknowledging this could hurt piggy. After he saw piggy was crushed he try to re comfort him but didn't want to seem like a week leader. "Better piggy than fatty."(25) It was an apology to piggy not the one to be expected from someone who actually cared but it was because Ralph wanted to seem strong. He was inconsiderate, but he still felt sorry for piggy his intentions weren't to be cruel but rather a leader.
I agree with u, Ralph only wanted to seem like a leader. He didn't see how he had hurt Piggy but his apology was really not expected that way. Good job describing everything and using info. from the book. :)
the revelation of this is showing that people can be critical in certain cases. For exemplar when on page 25 piggy was made fun of due to his supposedly humorous nickname. But with ralph it would not be that he used a harsh piece If criticism toward piggy but that he was only inconsiderate. unlike jack who intentionally does and causes problems when knowing
Ralphs revelation about Piggy's name was only inconsiderate. When taking in to mind that every character so far is of twelve years or younger and all of them are boys. I can empathise with Ralph and know that at that age you often forget what may or may not harm another persons feelings in this case Piggy's Feelings.
Jacob I feel that the first part of your statement is half true that in the moment it was easy to forget but, i cant help but notice that between sharing his name and the confrontation that Ralph had with Piggy was rude. If some one is mad at you for sharing what they consider personal info and then saying its better than the other option was rude. what he could have done too was mention what he said at the beginning when he first meets Piggy. this being that it would have been Piggy who was inconsiderate and Ralph as cruel for not have reminding him about not caring in the first place.
This shows that young people are just inconsiderate about hurting other people's feelings. Ralph at first did not notice that Piggy was hurt. He tried to apologize in a way that he wouldn't seem too sensible, "Piggy is better than Fatty". At last his apology was really not what Piggy expected but the way also that Ralph confessed Piggy's name was also not disrespectful. Not like the rest of the children that had laughed at Piggy. This shows that young people are just not aware of this kind of cruelty.
It was actually pretty messed up Piggy revealed his feelings to Ralph, and then later Ralph laughs at him. i guess that Piggy told Ralph not to tell anyone and then later Ralph tells the whole world. The boys in Lord of the Flies are inconsiderate because obviously they're like 7-13 years of age and they don't know how to react other than laugh; they dont know what they're doing! However, Piggy does know how to think of other people's emotions and his own. Well, how Piggy reacted because of Ralph's infalfulness is good, everyone laughed at him!! That's how i'll react!!
Because there just isn't enough time in class.